Viral video for people considering McCain

by background n015e, Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 02:06:31 AM EST

This is my first YouTube effort.  I developed the piece because sometimes words are not enough.

I understand some of Hillary's most ardent supporters are angry.  A few even talk of venting their anger by voting against Obama and for McCain.  If you know any women like that, I suggest you ask them to take 30 seconds to watch this video.  I doubt any Clinton supporter over 40 could live with herself if she knew that a vote for McCain would consign her, her daughters and her granddaughters to a dark chapter of American history many assume (incorrectly) we never have to worry about revisiting.




Tags: John McCain, Roe v. Wade, Supreme Court, abortion, choice, mything the point (all tags)

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Did you know.... (2.00 / 3)

Justice John Paul Stevens is old enough to be McCain's father?  Still think talk of overturning Roe is a "dystopian fantasy"?


by background n015e on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 02:09:11 AM EST

Wave a coathanger in their faces? (2.00 / 1)

It's not just women considering McCain.


by catfish2 on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 09:59:17 AM EST
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Are you saying men don't care about abortion? (2.00 / 2)

As a man, I would never wish a McCain presidency on the women in my life.


by protothad on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 11:20:14 AM EST
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Re: Wave a coathanger in their faces? (none / 0)

Of course not.
Willful blindness has no gender bias.
Nor does a complete lack of logical thought.

Lastly, if you are intent on voting for McCain....fine, do it. But, why continue participating on a site devoted to electing Democrats?

McCain support has no place here.


by Kysen on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 02:38:43 PM EST
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Pretty decent nt. (2.00 / 1)


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by Student Guy on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 02:13:06 AM EST

Re: Pretty decent (none / 0)

thanks.  It's my first time putting something up on YouTube.


by background n015e on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 02:14:31 AM EST
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this one was a lot more effective, IMHO (none / 0)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k445h1zXE 1M


by slinkerwink on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 02:38:56 AM EST

Re: this one was a lot more effective, IMHO (none / 0)

I think it is too cerebral.  The issue is highly charged for a reason.  Some things can't be honestly addressed if you try to sanitize them.


by background n015e on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 02:46:30 AM EST
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Virtual Recommends for the diary... (none / 0)

... and comment!


by kraant on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 07:52:20 AM EST
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kraant!!!! (none / 0)

Long time no see... how ya been?


by background n015e on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 08:40:43 AM EST
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Alright yeah... (none / 0)

... mucking around on PFF...

Popping in here every now and then to get my politics nerdery fix. =)

You?


by kraant on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 08:44:58 AM EST
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Re: Viral video for people considering McCain (none / 0)

Here we go with the how will you live with abortion threat again.

Is Roe bigger than equality for women?

This primary has shown that sexism is ingrained in the institutions and fabric of this country.

The DNC had a chance to stand with women and it didn't. Leadership coddled Obama with their complaints about tone, political ads, and race-baiting.

The token efforts by Dean last Sunday and the one liner from Obama yesterday are not enough. Some women feel a political price should be paid for that choice.

Those pleading for unity are asking people to unify around the party that would not take a stand against sexism.


"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her." - Susan B. Anthony
by feelfree on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 08:45:14 AM EST

Re: Viral video for people considering McCain (2.00 / 1)

The "political price" you are invoking will be felt for generations.  McCain is willing to spend a hundred years in Iraq.  Are you willing to go a hundred years without the right to choice?

Consider this historical fact:

1866:  Congress passes Civil Rights Act over the veto of President Johnson

1868:  Congress ratifies the 14th Amendment guaranteeing blacks cannot be disenfranchised.

1870:  Congress ratifies the 15th Amendment guaranteeing blacks the right to vote.

1875: Supreme Court rules the right to assembly is not guaranteed at the state level

1876:  Supreme Court rules poll taxes are legal.

1896:  Supreme Court rules segregation legal.

1964:  President Johnson signs Civil Rights Act.

1966:  Congress ratifies 24th Amendment banning poll taxes

Choice is not protected by any constitutional amendments, nor any acts of congress.  It hangs by a much more slender thread than Civil Rights did following the Civil War.  


by background n015e on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 09:01:23 AM EST
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Re: Viral video for people considering McCain (2.00 / 1)

Inequality for women has been felt for generations.

Women have been paying a political price or haven't you noticed?


"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her." - Susan B. Anthony
by feelfree on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 09:16:02 AM EST
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1920 (2.00 / 2)

What happened in 1920? Women got the right to vote. Get your lecturing ass out of here. You think women don't have brains? They know he's antichoice. This is how disturbing they find Senator Obama.


by catfish2 on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 10:01:37 AM EST
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you would give up control of your body for spite? (none / 0)

interesting


by background n015e on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 03:07:44 PM EST
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The difference there is... (none / 0)

The DNC had a chance to stand with women and it didn't. Leadership coddled Obama with their complaints about tone, political ads, and race-baiting.

The token efforts by Dean last Sunday and the one liner from Obama yesterday are not enough. Some women feel a political price should be paid for that choice.

Those pleading for unity are asking people to unify around the party that would not take a stand against sexism.

... that when it came to racism, the Clinton camp was actively trying to exploit it, the sexism was coming from outside the campaigns.


by kraant on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 09:14:18 AM EST
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Re: The difference there is... (none / 0)

So why did Howard Dean go on FOX News to accuse them of race-baiting because of their coverage on Wright?

That came from outside the campaign didn't it?

Why would Brazile, Clyburn, Pelosi and Dean claim to be neutral yet they felt the need to address tone, political ads, or race-baiting in the media?


"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her." - Susan B. Anthony
by feelfree on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 09:27:24 AM EST
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Another reason Senator Obama disturbs people (1.50 / 2)

Everything is perceived as racism. We cannot hold him accountable for anything. We will be called racists by brownshirts like you.


by catfish2 on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 10:02:40 AM EST
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Re: Another reason Senator Obama disturbs people (none / 0)

and no one could have beaten Hillary without her supporters accusing them of sexism.

she couldnt have POSSIBLY lost because of real issues and a poorly run campaign


by falseintellect on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 12:11:04 PM EST
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are you serious? (none / 0)

feelfree, please consider the price that women will have to pay if you and others don't get onboard and help us crush mccain.

this is going to sound harsh, but here goes.  if mccain wins, women will die.  living,  breathing, productive women.  mothers, sisters, aunts, daughters.  they will die because mccain has promise to appoint justices who will overturn roe.

do you really want to return to the days of women throwing themselves down flights of stairs?  do you really want to return to the times when women ingested all sorts of herbs to try and induce miscarriages?  do you want to stock up on coathangers?

please, it's the truth.  a mccain presidency will lead to dead american women.  and as a woman with working ovaries, i don't want to be forced to give birth. i don't want any woman forced to give birth.  personal autonomy is the main reason why women have made so many social advances in the past few decades.

do you really want to return to the dark days?


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by annatopia on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 09:30:30 AM EST
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Re: are you serious? (none / 0)

In 2008 your argument simply doesn't ring true.

I also have working ovaries, but there are more choices than abortion to insure reproductive rights.

There is more birth control available to men and women than ever before. Male and female condoms, diaphragms, the sponge, the patch, the ring, spermicides, the pill, IUD, abstinence, celibacy, and sterilization. Emergency contraception in the form of Plan B is being dispensed in pharmacies across the country.

Women and men can control their reproductive rights. There are no barriers to preventing pregnancy in this country.

It is unreasonable, illogical, and unfair to tell women the world is going to come to an end over Roe.


"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her." - Susan B. Anthony
by feelfree on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 10:09:42 AM EST
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I am restraining my frustration at your blindness. (2.00 / 1)

In college, I had the heart wrenching responsibility of taking a friend to the clinic to deal with the consequences of rape.  It was hard enough getting access to the medical care she needed in the current legal environment, and you would let it get worse!?

And this whole idea of increased used of birth control... a great idea, but good luck making it happen under a McCain administration and even more conservative judges.

The issue of women's rights is way more broad and complex than just abortion, and a McCain presidency would be bad for women on many, many levels.


by protothad on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 12:05:47 PM EST
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Re: I am restraining my frustration at your blindn (none / 0)

My blindness?

In the past if a woman had been sexually assaulted and it goes unreported the morning after pill or Plan B was still available to her by prescription.

Plan B has been offered to rape victims in hospitals across this country LONG before it became available over the counter in pharmacies. It is my understanding it can be dispensed without a prescription for about $50.    

Even if your birth control method failed you or you missed taking a couple of pills, Plan B is a backup. It is widely available.

Plan B prevents pregnancy, don't confuse it with RU-486 which is the abortion pill.

My point to you and others who believe the most important women's issue is Roe or who would threaten women over reproduction rights with Roe in order for them to tow the party line are misguided.


"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her." - Susan B. Anthony
by feelfree on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 12:54:01 PM EST
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Re: I am restraining my frustration at your blindn (2.00 / 1)

And why exactly do you think those would remain legal under a McCain presidency?  There are already rightwing attempts to outlaw those options, and they will get a lot more traction when a President McCain begins appointing district and supreme court judges.  Then of course there is the rightwing push against contraception and realistic sex education... a McCain administration would also be no help to us there either.

Have you bothered to even read his positions on this stuff?  A vote for McCain is a vote against everything Hillary stands for.


by protothad on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 05:27:28 PM EST
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you are obtuse (none / 0)

so you're ok with bannign abortions because birth control is sold in front of counters now?  tell that to the dead women in nicaragua

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21601045/


MANAGUA, Nicaragua - Two weeks after Olga Reyes danced at her wedding, her bloated and disfigured body was laid to rest in an open coffin -- the victim, her husband and some experts say, of Nicaragua's new no-exceptions ban on abortion.

Reyes, a 22-year-old law student, suffered an ectopic pregnancy. The fetus develops outside the uterus, cannot survive and causes bleeding that endangers the mother. But doctors seemed afraid to treat her because of the anti-abortion law, said husband Agustin Perez. By the time they took action, it was too late.

that's just one example of women dying thanks to an abortion ban.  now please get a clue.  this issue is too important for you to play coy with your vote. i will personally blame YOU for the dead women who result from roe being overturned.


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by annatopia on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 02:38:51 PM EST
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Re: you are obtuse (1.00 / 1)


The majority of abortions performed in this country are not done because the mother's life is in danger.

Here's a clue for you most pregnancies that end in abortion could be prevented with effort and thought.


"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her." - Susan B. Anthony
by feelfree on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 02:50:22 PM EST
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would you give up control of your body for spite? (none / 0)

seems like an odd way to voice an opinion.


by background n015e on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 03:09:36 PM EST
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Re: would you give up control of your body for spi (none / 0)

Your mistake is believing the control of my body begins and ends with Roe.


"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her." - Susan B. Anthony
by feelfree on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 04:13:33 PM EST
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Re: would you give up control of your body for spi (none / 0)

repealing Roe is the beginning of the end of control.  There are already pharmacists who refuse to fill prescriptions for birth control to married women who have a doctor's prescription.  There are already huge efforts to push "abstinence only" instead of comprehensive education.  You may know what your options are, but I guarantee you there are millions of girls who will never have the chance to be more than baby machines if this guy is allowed near the Supreme Court.


by background n015e on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 08:36:15 PM EST
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Re: would you give up control of your body for spi (none / 0)

Well if that happens I suppose everyone will have to get educated not that anything is stopping people from doing that now.


"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her." - Susan B. Anthony
by feelfree on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 11:33:27 PM EST
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You must assume they/we are stupid (1.00 / 0)

a) we voted Clinton so in the mind of Obama's supporters we are low-infomration racist hicks.
b) we're considering McCain so we must have NO IDEA what Roe v. Wade even is or that it might be overturned under President McCain.
by catfish2 on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 10:13:44 AM EST
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You've got it wrong: (none / 0)

a) we voted Clinton so in the minds of Obama's supporters we are a Democrats who opted to vote for his opponent (who is also a Democrat).
b)we're considering McCain so in the minds of some of Obama's supporters we are low-information racist hicks.

There, I fixed it for ya.
Though, I don't believe that all who are thinking of voting for McCain are racist or hicks.
I do, however, believe that they are low-information (or, willfully ignoring information) and are cutting off their heads to spite their necks.
A vote for McCain to punish Obama....is a vote that also punishes Hillary.


by Kysen on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 11:56:36 AM EST
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It is not to punish Obama (1.00 / 0)

Some see a vote for Obama as punishing America.


by catfish2 on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 12:30:24 PM EST
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Re: It is not to punish Obama (none / 0)

Democrats see voting for McCain as punishing America.
McCain represents and stands for EVERYTHING Democrats (with Hillary at the front line) have fought against for decades.

You can't find it in yourself to vote for the Democratic Candidate?
Fine.
Stay home.
Vote down ticket.
Write in Hillary.
Vote Bob Barr. (can't believe I'm touting this)
I may not agree with such moves....but, I could understand them (and told my wife, a Hillary supporter, the same thing).

A vote for McCain, however, defies all logic.
How anyone who has lived in this country for the past 8 years (including Republicans!) could vote for McCain absolutely astounds me. Again, if not 'low-informed', then most certainly 'willfully ignorant'. I cannot understand, and will not accept any 'reasoning' behind, such a ridiculous action.

A vote for McCain punishes Obama, Hillary, children, women...and, yes, America.


by Kysen on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 12:55:31 PM EST
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You don't speak for all Democrats (1.00 / 0)

you don't speak for me. You cannot win an election by instructing people how to vote. That you think this tells me you haven't been through many elections, or haven't been involved in many.


by catfish2 on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 01:30:48 PM EST
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Re: You don't speak for all Democrats (none / 0)

You are correct...I do not speak for all Democrats.
However, this is a Democratic site dedicated to seeing Democrats elected...so, I make the logical assumption that those who choose to participate here have that same goal. Those who have a different goal (such as voting for/electing McCain)? Why bother hanging around here?
Hillary must be absolutely galled to have so many claiming to be her supporters touting their support for McCain.
EmPHAsis on 'claiming'.

(You need to be more careful deciding what my 'thinking' 'tells' you. You are wrong on both counts.)


by Kysen on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 02:32:24 PM EST
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I would like to hear you answer this: (none / 0)

Explain to me how voting for a person YOU KNOW will make it illegal for you to exercise control of your body is a good thing.  I'm interested in hearing this.


by background n015e on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 03:11:02 PM EST
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Re: You've got it wrong: (none / 0)

Obama in my opinion would be collateral damage.

I think most people who will sit out or vote for McCain are gunning for the DNC and the stewards of the Democratic Party. I think that is where most of anger is being directed and rightfully so.


"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her." - Susan B. Anthony
by feelfree on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 02:41:02 PM EST
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Re: You've got it wrong: (none / 0)

If Obama would be collateral damage so would Hillary, and children, and women, and GLBT's, and our soldiers in Iraq, and God only knows how many others......not worth it to me. Be angry at the DNC all ya want....just don't throw all of the above groups "under the bus" in the process.


by Kysen on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 07:30:48 PM EST
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Re: You've got it wrong: (none / 0)

In my opinion the DNC didn't have a problem with doing that to women during this primary, but I guess people expect women to get over it. It's just what happens during political campaigns.


"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her." - Susan B. Anthony
by feelfree on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 11:29:29 PM EST
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"get over it" (none / 0)

That is what Scalia said to the disenfranchised voters from Florida.

Expect to hear that when they take away your reproductive rights.


by background n015e on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:20:01 AM EST
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Re: you don't get it (none / 0)

You don't appear smart enough to realize "they" don't control my reproductive rights, I do.


"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her." - Susan B. Anthony
by feelfree on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 11:28:00 AM EST
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Why did you vote for Obama (1.00 / 0)

if you cared so much about this? YOu think his preacher, his middle name, his helping his cousin in the Kenya election, you think swing voters wouldn't care about these things?


by catfish2 on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 01:32:51 PM EST
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